Beth Moore and John Piper Lead Lectio Divina-Lite at Passion 2012

By on Jan 6, 2012

Apprising Ministries has been warning for years concerning the evil effects of the neo-liberal in the Emerging Church aka the Emergent Church.

It’s an incontrovertible fact that right from its hatching in hell corrupt Contemplative Spirituality/Mysticism (CSM), such as that taught by Living Spiritual Teacher and Quaker mystic Richard Foster along with his spiritual twin and Southern Baptist minister Dallas Willard, was a core doctrine.

Spreading as a spiritual cancer throughout apostatizing evangelicalism, we even see that it’s slithered all the way into the New Calvinst neo-reformed camp e.g. as in Acts 29 Network And Reformed Counter Reformation Spirituality? One of the fruits of CSM is a blurring of doctrinal lines, which is particularly dangerous in this time of postmodernism and growing spiritual blindness.

It’s also giving rise to a rebirth of Pietism; this isn’t surprising when you consider that CSM flowered in the antibiblical monastic traditions of apostate Roman Catholicism. As the evangelical fad of CSM expands there’s a decided charismania also developing, which is producing a syncretism where Word Faith heretics like Joel Osteen and T.D. Jakes are essentially considered mainstream now. With all of this has come more and more people claiming to have direct experience with God.

The end result is making the climate more condusive for things like Beth Moore Recommending “Jesus Calling” Book Claiming Direct Divine Revelation. This is the backdrop upon which to better see what’s happening as you watch the video clips to follow below from the Passion 2012 Conference. This conference has been going on in Atlanta, and was largely aimed at young adults and students.

Hosted by Louis Giglio, pastor of Passion City Church in Atlanta, Passion featured an interesting lineup of speakers such Francis Chan, Beth Moore and New Calvinist mentor John Piper. Not surpisingly the conference had a distinctive charismatic and even contemplative flair; e.g. prayer walking. After one session the crowd was urged to break into “love groups” and go out to pray and “take back the city of Atlanta.”

Years of emerging bombardment of pro-CSM propaganda aimed at younger sectors of the Christian community fired right out of evangelical publishing houses has also had much effect upon the broader culture of the more charismatic/emotion-driven side of the church visible as well. To serve as an illustration, below we have SBC Lifeway-sponsored Beth Moore praising an apostate (at best) Roman Catholic mystic and the crown jewel of CSM.

If you didn’t know, this is a form of meditation in an altered state of consciousness commonly known as Contemplative/Centering Prayer (CCP):

Moore’s admitted practice of some form of CCP, which is actually divination, has opened her up to even receive direct revelation and visions from God. Below from a 2002 series called Believing God, available right now at Lifeway’s website, Moore describes a vision God gave her concerning His Church.

Sounding not too unlike Word Faith wingnuts she tells us God took her into some kind of dimension where she was able to see the Body of Christ as Jesus sees it:

Apparently the Protestant Reformation was really some sort of horrible mistake because Moore’s Jesus sees the Roman Catholic Church as another Christian denomination. This becomes clear below as Moore demonstrates what she saw in her vision from God:

Yet despite this obviously false vision ten years ago, there was Beth Moore preaching to thousands alongside New Calvinists John Piper and Francis Chan. I guess we really should expect this because Piper has told us before: “I’m Happy To Learn From Beth Moore.”

Who knows, perhaps he even shares Moore’s view that men like John MacArthur are guilty of teaching extreme error in the Body of Christ:

By the way, the other extreme teaching in the Body of Christ that Beth Moore sees is what she calls “sensationalism.” Something I personally think she’s now become involved in. As I said earlier, the CSM being dabbled with now in mainstream evangelicalism is bringing about a form of Pietism; an emotional, sentimental, emotion-driven form of worship. What you saw at Passion 2012.

Christian apologist Bob DeWaay is dead-on-target as he explains:

Pietism is difficult to define because it can be taught and practiced in an unlimited number of ways. Some versions appear to be innocuous while others are so radical that most people would see that something is wrong. I now know that no version of pietism is actually innocuous. If a teaching is called pietism but teaches no more than what God has always used to sanctify Christians, then it is not really pietism. Real pietism always harms those who embrace it.

The essence of pietism is this: It is a practice designed to lead to an experience that purports to give one an elite or special status compared to ordinary Christians. The Bible addresses this error in the book of Colossians. The false teachers in Colossae claimed to have the secret to a superior Christian experience that would cause people to rise above the bad “fate” they feared. Paul went on to explain that they already had everything they needed through Christ and His work on the cross. Another way of stating this is: If after having fully trusted Christ’s finished work on the cross, you are told that you are still lacking something, you are being taught pietism.

Church history is littered with misguided pietistic movements. Many of them are linked with mysticism… Pietism can be practiced many ways including enforced solitude, asceticism of various forms, man made religious practices, legalism, submission to human authorities who claim special status, and many other practices and teachings.
(Online source)

In closing this, for now, I’ll show you something that gives us real cause for concern in the seeming dangerous drift of Beth Moore and John Piper. Following are clips from Session 5 of Passion 2012 where we were to enter into the silence to let God speak to us, not only through Scripture, but directly inside of us as well. However, this is language actually straight out of CSM and can also refer to the TM-lite of CCP.

Beth Moore, John Piper et al each took turns reading from the Book of Ephesians; then they each would ask for silence and say something along the lines of: “Be still and let Jesus speak to you.” This is Beth Moore:

Now John Piper:

Finally, here’s Louis Giglio closing out Session 5. Any doubt about what’s been going on in the silence is dispelled at :20 below. To all but the most naive it will become clear to you that, contra the proper Christian spirituality of sola Scriptura, Giglio is talking about direct encounters with God in addition to Holy Scripture:

How many of you heard the voice of God speak specifically, clearly, directly, and personally, to you? Can you just put a hand up? I’d like you to share it. Can you put a hand up for a minute?

Just want you to look around; that’s people saying, “God Almighty (pause) the Maker of heaven (pause) the one Who’s sitting on the only throne (pause) that’s not under threat (long pause, audience cheers)—He spoke to me. He spoke to me.”

“God spoke to me.” (long pause) Don’t let the voice of the darkness, tell you that you are not (pause) worth (pause) that God would not speak to you. (pause) Don’t let him tell you, you don’t matter. (pause) God spoke to you.

Perhaps this is why more and more in the charismatic camp have been embracing the Roman Catholic Church as another Christian denomination; like Rome, they now also have the Bible…plus…

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9 thoughts on “Beth Moore and John Piper Lead Lectio Divina-Lite at Passion 2012

  1. Wouldn’t it be so simple if truth could be served by having these two arrested and incarcerated on charges of attempting to injure the Gospel and deceive the undiscerning? But alas, it is not that simple and that will not be happening any time soon.

    If everyone, everywhere, were to ignore people like Beth Moore. Louis Giglio and John Piper, by necessity they would be silenced and their false message would die a natural death. But we also know that as long as false religions such as Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, etcetera, remain free to preach their false messages, so will these three and of course so many others in the emergent church.

    We are humbled, comforted and thankful therefore, that the Lord alone is able to save and will save His elect and that He will not lose any of them. We trust in Him who makes it not possible that the elect be led astray: (Mat 24:24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.)

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    • Leonardo

      That is a far-reaching conclusion, yet it could certainly seem to be so! Do you have any reliable information which you could share which has led you to this understanding? I would certainly appreciate such information.

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    • Hi Ryan Peter

      Thank you for your comment. The Emergents are everything that was and is to come and John Piper seems to have joined forces with the Post modern Emergents. Lectio divina is not a new false mystical heresy, it has simply been adopted and is being adapted by the Emergents and all who are affiliated. It is very sad to see someone of the stature of John Piper sinking to these depths.

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  2. Hi Ryan

    Nice to hear from you again in this new year! Hope you have a blessed one.

    Your comment is certainly not nitpicky or simpy argumentative. Some of the teachings of John Piper, in the past, have been of considerable value and he rightfully has had many followers of those teachings.

    I think John Piper has gone far enough in recent years to be “bundled” into the emergent category. His recent, and some not so recent, antics have earned him that label, even though I try to be very cautious before attaching labels to people whom I do not know personally. And even when I know someone very well, it is impossible to know the full extent of the depths of his/her heart for the Lord. I have seen all too often, how undeserved labels can cause real hurt, damage to the true church and division among true Christians.

    The warnings which have been issued to John Piper in recent times by his peers regarding the severity and closeness of his association with other leading emergents, further lend qualification to this unfortunate categorization. If you would, please take a look at the video attached to this article in which John Piper calls for the congregation to participate in the Lectio Divina ritual, which speaks for itself. Included, he is sharing the pulpit with Beth Moore, whose reputation and position as a woman precedes her.

    Lectio Divina has never been a part of the teachings of the Church, it does not form part of Scripture. It has been practiced in varying forms by cults throughout the history of the church. By John Piper attempting to include the false mysticism and experiential spiritism into worship and Christian relationships with God, he is identifying with and approving of the idea that the Church has never performed correctly. Furthermore, he is insinuating by this worrisome action, that all Christians who have gone before lacked spiritual knowledge, including the Apostles and those who followed in their footsteps.

    One of the scary attributes of the Emergents is the fact that they have incorporated post-modern thinking in all its false mystical and charismatic extremes, and they continue to add to the error. Therefore they are designated the Emerging church, which willfully indicates that the formation of the movement is in progress; and in which extra-biblical revelations and lies of immense proportions are being adapted to fool undiscerning seekers. The deceptions which they proffer and by which they exert control over their followers, are added to by almost any means at their disposal, such as the introduction of the false mystical practice of Lectio Divina. By association with this gross error, and by him not speaking out against it while actually participating in it, I think it is fair to call John Piper emergent today. Terribly, terribly sad. We hope he denounces that deadly association.

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  3. Taking a conservative approach, In Genesis, God walked with Adam in the garden. He spoke to him. He also spoke to many others in the Old Testament and New Testament. God is relational. Why would he not speak to us outside of scripture? I’m not sure if it’s 100% accurate, but the Westminster Catechism states that our chief end is to “know God and enjoy him forever.” I want to know God now, not just on the other side of this mortal body. And I think that God might want me to know him, and hear him, now. Why not?

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    • Chris

      Certainly, a conservative approach would not include God speaking to us “outside of Scripture”. Christians regard God’s Word to be complete and infallibly contained within Scripture. If that were not so, then God’s Word would never be complete and would be an on-going work in progress. It would also mean that God’s Word would be open to an infinite number of interpretations, including those of unbelievers claiming to have “heard” God’s voice in any way imaginable. Additionally, if we were to “hear” God’s voice outside of Scripture, how would we be able to know with any certainty, that it was God’s voice and not the voice of some other spirit posing as God?

      God dealt with Old Testament people differently, because they did not have His complete written Word. Jesus had not yet been among men, had not yet been crucified in the flesh. Atonement had not yet been physical and paid for fully in Blood, even though Old Testament saints were saved by the same means.

      All saved Christians will know God in this life and for eternity. All saved Christians are enabled through His Grace and by the gift of faith to enjoy the security of having been set free by the Blood of the Lamb. All Christians are spiritually regenerated (made alive) by the indwelling of His Holy Spirit during this life. That was the miracle which started at Pentecost, which happened exactly as Jesus said it would, and it continues today. We can only know God if He chooses to reveal Himself to us, and He does that by means of His Holy Spirit in the life of every believer who is saved by His Grace, not through mysterious voices, induced mystical experiences, or signs and wonders.

      God certainly does want those who are saved by His Grace through faith in His Son, Jesus Christ, to know Him now. But how much more clearly can He speak than through His Perfect Word? (2Ti 3:16-17) All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

      Here are the words of the Apostle Paul, who tells us exactly how believers are to hear God, how God speaks to them and how eternal life is received:
      (Rom 1:16-19) 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.” 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.

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