April 5, 2015
Let us ever seek grace to live by the rule of the gospel we preach, honoring God in all things; but do not imagine that you can preach the gospel by the way you live. — You can only preach the gospel by declaring it.
March 29, 2015
The world did not see Christ in Christ and did not see holiness in the Holy One, but crucified him as a vile and wicked man. Don’t ever imagine that the world will see Christ or holiness in you.
March 22, 2015
Don’t ever attempt to show the world that you are a Christian, or that you are righteous, or that you are godly, or even that you are different from others. Lost people cannot see godliness.
March 15, 2015
The works by which Abraham and Rahab showed their faith (James 2:21-25) were works seen by no one except God. Even so, the works by which we show our faith are works seen by God alone. Others may benefit from them, but God alone sees them, and sees them as works of faith.
March 8, 2015
Show your faith by your works, as God the Holy Ghost teaches us to do (James 2:18); but don’t ever attempt show your faith to men. They can’t see it.
March 1, 2015
Let us seek grace to live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present evil world, to live as sinners saved by the grace of God, to live for God and to the glory of God; but let us never attempt to show the world that we are Christians. The show of religion our Savior expressly forbids (Matthew 6:5-18).
February 22, 2015
God declares things to be what they are manifestly made to be before he makes them to be what he makes them to be (Romans 4:17).
February 8, 2015
God enriches his saints by poverty, strengthens them by weakness, makes them healthy by sickness, and lifts them up by abasing them.
February 1, 2015
The beginning and end of the faithful pastor’s work is to know Christ and to make him known. To that great work God’s servant must give himself entirely, and delights to do so.
I really like the new and refreshed look and feel; even more so because I know the content remains old and solid.
Continue to boldly proclaim Christ crucified.
Thank you for your kind words & encouragement. We give God all the glory. May be you would just like to update the name and url on your blogroll.
Blessings in His name to you and the family
I will do it now.
Regarding the Links page, I’m really interested in what good South African content you come across. It’s so important that we develop and foster a community of likeminded believers on our own shores that can stand firm in our local environment.
May He be exalted as you serve,
Dear lord,s people ,
please will you pray for our dying orphans and widows in Kenya. Kindly help us with bibles to read.Pastor Kennedy.
Thank you so much for this blog. I just discovered it today. I must say that I have a lot to share on one topic of the blog concerning the Hebrew Roots Movement…. There’s a place here in Denver, CO, that I think may be along these grounds. Still doing some research. But that entry has shed some much needed light. Once again, thank you.
I greet u all with the love of God through Christ Jesus. I also thank you for your informaton about Prophet TB Joshua.
My names are Mr Akusu Ayodele Godwin from Delta State Nigeria. I dont know the prophet and have not talked to him before unless that i follow Him in twitter and chat at facebook with Him. However,sir/ma, why are you doing all this against a man that had made so many people to be happy? We have seen live testimonies for charity,humility, healing, and love that no man of God has ever done with their wealth and themselves. We had heard him and his wisemen preaching the words of GOD and healing in Nigeria and Abroad. Pls, kindly judge not and let God to Judge. Thank you sir.
Thank you for your comment. It should have been placed under the relevant article. How ever I will answer your questions here.
Please could you place your next comment under the correct article.
You say :
Scripture teaches us that we are not to judge unbelievers, as far as believers go we are to judge those in the church claiming to be beleivers.
Judging Others— Should Christians Judge? – We are NOT to Judge a person’s MOTIVES (Matt 7:1), but we ARE to Judge a Fellow Christian’s: FRUIT / ACTIONS (Matt 7:15-20,John 7:24,1 Cor 5:12–13) to make sure they’re NOT Teaching & Living Contrary to God’s Word, and Essential Christian Doctrine is Correct. Apostle Paul judged 8 Times,& Named the Names of 8 False Converts in 2nd Timothy
If A Preacher or Teacher is NOT Correctly Teaching Essential Christian Doctrine (the True Gospel of Jesus Christ, etc.) and the Teaching is keeping people focused on this Life & on the Broad Path to Hell, OR if they are Prophesying Falsely (Deut 13:1-18, Deut 18:20-22), we are to “MARK THEM” (NAME NAMES of False Teachers & Deceivers)— of which Paul did 8 TIMES in 2 Timothy seen below.
Rom 16:17-18 (KJV) “MARK THEM which cause DIVISIONS & OFFENCES CONTRARY to the DOCTRINE which you have learned; and AVOID them. For they that are such SERVE NOT our Lord Jesus Christ, but their OWN BELLY (personal interests); and by GOOD WORDS & FAIR SPEECHES (smooth talk) DECEIVE the HEARTS of the SIMPLE (i.e. innocent, unsuspecting, naive, undiscerning).”
False Teachers must be SILENCED as Titus 1:10-14 rightly states. They are: Rebellious, Mere Talkers, and Deceivers:
Titus 1:10-14 (NASB) ”For there are MANY REBELLIOUS MEN, EMPTY TALKERS and DECEIVERS, especially those of the circumcision, who MUST be SILENCED because they are UPSETTING WHOLE FAMILIES, TEACHING things they should NOT TEACH for the SAKE of SORDID GAIN (dishonest). One of themselves, a PROPHET OF THEIR OWN, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.” This testimony is true. For this reason REPROVE THEM SEVERELY so that they may be SOUND IN THE FAITH, NOT paying attention to JEWISH MYTHS and COMMANDMENTS OF MEN who TURN AWAY from the TRUTH.” One of them, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.”
The Apostle Paul “Name Names” of 8 Deceivers— for the Protection of the Church— in 2nd Timothy. Here are the 8 Deceivers:
1 – Phygellus – 2 Tim 1:15
2 – Hermogenes – 2 Tim 1:15
3 – Hymenaeus 2 Tim 2:17
4 – Philetus – 2 Tim 2:17
5 – Jannes – 2 Tim 3:8
6 – Jambres – 2 Tim 3:8
7 – Demas – 2 Tim 4:10
8 – Alexander the Coppersmith – 2 Tim 4:14
We are to “Contend Earnestly for the Faith”!
Jude 1:1-4 (NKJV) “Jude warns, “Jude, a Bondservant of Jesus Christ (Half Brother of Jesus), and Brother of James— To those who are CALLED, SANCTIFIED by GOD the FATHER, & PRESERVED in JESUS: MERCY, PEACE, and LOVE be MULTIPLIED to you. Beloved, while I was VERY DILIGENT to WRITE to you concerning our COMMON SALVATION, I found it NECESSARY to WRITE to you EXHORTING you to CONTEND EARNESTLY for the FAITH which was once for all delivered to the SAINTS. For CERTAIN MEN have CREPT IN UNNOTICED, who long ago were marked out for this Condemnation, UNGODLY men, who TURN the GRACE of our GOD into LEWDNESS and DENY the only LORD GOD and our LORD JESUS CHRIST.”
Men like T B Joshua are FALSE teachers.
Nazaraene Judaism People seem to fit the mold for SNM.
Could you give some details about Nazaraene Judaism People ? Thank you.
Can anyone advise me why they are expecting an AntiChrist Man to appear and attribute his appearing in places in scripture when there is no scriptural basis to do so. John was warning about an antichrist spirit that was invading the church and has over the centuries brought the 2 Thess 2 warning of apostasy to life! The man of lawlessness is obviously satan who tries to get his spirit into our temple(we are the temple) and proclaim us as God, ie the original lie in Genesis 3. Simple deception really but we would love to believe that there will be this great man antichrist to suit the false teaching that pervades the church today. Forget the rapture, hello persecution! Come Lord Jesus.
My answer to your e-mail to me, which accompanied and included this comment, refers. Thank you for this comment. I will publish that detailed reply here, pending your approval.
Come Lord Jesus! Amen!
Interesting Peter, I have wondered about this myself!!! 🙂
An antichrist is anyone that does not believe that he came in the flesh and dwell among us. 1 john 4:3
On behalf of the entire saints and staff of The Apostolic church in Togo, I bring you wonderful apostolic greetings in Jesus Christ’s name. Amen.
In the year 2012, the church general council has approved that the Council President and the General Superintendent should embark on overseas convention participation and seminar to brace up with the contemporary Pentecostal happenings around the world and the modern issues of Christian Theology, hence your meeting has been chosen for him to attend.
Please be kind enough to send to us relevant papers for his registration and booking ahead of the programme to enable him pursue the necessary requirement ;
Thank you till we hear from you
For on behalf of the Church Council
Ps. Dr. Onuoha NDUKWO
Are you refering to the Justin Peter’s Seminar ? Please see this link for complete details https://fortheloveofhistruth.com/2012/04/11/justin-peters-a-call-for-discernment-south-african-seminar-tour-from-1-17-june-2012/ . I would suggest you contacting the relevant place who is hosting the Seminar . We just placed the article as a aid of help for those interested.
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I stumbled upon this website today through a discernment FB Page.It may sound trite, but I know I just love you two. You are appreciated and helpful in my walk with God. May He keep you always in the light of His truth.
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Hello, brother Grant. I’m thoroughly enjoying the blog and the multiple modes of interaction. I’ve had the privilege of meeting and fellowship on facebook with your dear wife, Elmarie. It truly rejoices the soul to meet and see Saints having such a love of the truth! Peace in Him, Chad
Romans Chapter 5: verses 17,18,19 tells of the comparison between one man’s offense bringing judgement to all men and through Christ’s righteous act the free gift came to all men. This is showing Christ’s compassion and sacrificing Himself for the human race.
I never took these verses to mean that everyone would be saved because of other scriptures telling us to repent and be born again.
Verse 19: For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
Those who are saved are part of the human race that Christ died for.
Thank you for commenting.
I’m not sure whether you intended posting your comment under a different article, and for that reason I’m not quite sure what the context of your comment is. Are you responding to a comment or statement that I, or someone else made?
Romans 5:17, a verse you refer to, clearly tells us to whom the free gift is given: not all men or the human race, but to those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness. Verse 17: For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
Christ did not die for the entire human race, certainly not for those who were already in hell at the time of His crucifixion, or for those who are in hell today. To say that He sacrificed Himself for those who are in hell, indicates that His compassion and sacrifice was ineffectual in certain instances. Christ did not fail to save some of those for whom He had compassion! Christ did not die for those who oppose God!
Thanks for answering. I was referring to the generalisation of the human race as a ‘species’. Christ died for mankind rather than angels or extra-terrestrials (not sure if any exist)
The comparisons between Adam and Christ and the poetic way in which Paul has presented his case is unique.
When Paul speaks of ‘all men’ it means that the gospel is given to everyone regardless of their race. We actually have to tell sinners that Christ died for humanity because that is what the apostles said when they were witnessing. Paul never witnessed to people by saying ‘Christ only died for the elect’ as that would confuse people. He made statements like ‘Christ died for the ungodly’. After you become a Christian you understand that God draws people to Himself.
I haven’t got your article in front of me so I can’t comment on any other matter. I should have written down notes.
Thanks again, and I agree with you. Your explanation states the point very well.
Yes. This is exactly what the Bible teaches and I can scarcely argue otherwise. But I can’t really wrap my head around the fact that one mere creature (Adam) could plunge the entire human race into perdition, while one omnipotent God in the body of a man (Christ) is only able to save some. Does that make any sense to you?
Certainly, as you say, we would argue with God’s Word at our peril. We must be careful not to suggest that God could or should have made plans for a better way to salvation. We do not always fully understand God’s way, for His way is beyond our understanding. That is not very hard to grasp, if you think about it, we do not even understand other people, most of the time.
Yes, sin did enter the world through Adam and in so doing, it affected the entire human race. The penalty for sin is death, which means that if God did not provide a way for people to be saved, the entire human race would have been plunged into perdition. However, God did provide through the sacrifice of the Saviour Jesus Christ, through whom all salvation is made possible.
You mention the omnipotent God. If God truly is omnipotent (and He is), it would indicate that there is nothing that He could not do (and there isn’t). Therefore, if He so wished, the omnipotent God would be able to save all people (and He is able to). So, if God is able to save all people, and not all people are saved, it must indicate that He did not intend to save all people. It is therefore, not due to God’s inability that not all are saved, but according to His will.
There is, however, more to the matter and faith is the key.
Through Jesus Christ, eternal life with God becomes effective through faith to those who believe in Jesus. “So that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe” (Galatians 3:22). These two words “faith” and “believing” are critical to our salvation.
What would be the point if those who oppose salvation are also saved? It is through our believing in the shed blood of Christ for our sins that we receive eternal life. “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9).
It certainly makes sense to me. Does this make sense to you now?
“Through Jesus Christ, eternal life with God becomes effective through faith to those who believe in Jesus. “So that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe” (Galatians 3:22). These two words “faith” and “believing” are critical to our salvation.”
Well, that’s true enough but it is so because having faith and believing are one and the same thing. See e.g., John 6:29;11:27; Acts 16:31; Romans 10:9, etc. So.in either case, neither faith, nor belief, is a work of our own, but rather a gift from God, (Ephesians 2:8-9), or to put it differently, God’s work. See John 6;:28-29.
I don’t see, therefore, how you can distinguish in any way those who “oppose the gospel” from those who, by God’s grace, receive the gift of faith so that they will not continue to oppose the gospel. Everyone is opposed to the gospel (the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit 1 Cor. 2:14), before God works to override their natural resistance to it. We cannot circumcise our own hearts in order to love God (see Deuteronomy 30:6), anymore than we can take out our hearts of stone and replace them with hearts of flesh. See Ezekiel 36:12-32.
In 1 Corinthians 4:7, the apostle Paul makes this statement and I think it is quite poignant, at least as it is rendered in the AV:
“WHO maketh you to differ from another?” and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?” (emphasis supplied) (This verse has been significantly altered by modern versions but you will find it rendered this way in the AV, the ASV, the Douay Rheims, and even the Darby).
Obviously, the answer to the first question is “God” whereas the answer to the second question is “nothing.” See John 3:27. (The answer to the third question is “because I am thinking with my fleshy mind,” but I won’t go there.)
Here’s another verse you might want to consider before you begin to draw distinctions between those who oppose the gospel and those who, by God’s grace, don’t:
“Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not?”
If you meditate on it a bit, the verse is basically saying that whatever we say we are going to do (and by logical extension think in our minds to do), will not come to pass unless God has commanded it!
So if you decided to pick up a Bible and read it and seek for God, guess what? That was commanded by God. In fact, if you decided to follow Christ and evangelize the lost and bear much fruit, that was commanded too. See also John 15:16. So the ultimate question I have for you is this? How do you know that Christ did not die for all men, as the text says? (you know there really is nothing in the text to rule out that he didn’t die for all men, other than our own limited sensorial experience, and a consensus by some creatures regarding the meaning of various verses, many of which include reading “all men” as “some men”).
I am not making a case for universal salvation, (though some have and have been called heretics for doing so), I just want you, and anyone else who thinks that Christ’s atonement was limited to the elect, to think more critically not only about the text, but about our limited understanding of the sovereign will of God on the matter.
For instance, you seem to say straight out that it is not God’s will to save everyone, but there you are dead wrong, (no pun intended). In 1 Timothy 2:4-5, the Holy Spirit informs us that it is indeed God’s will that all men be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth! (You see the order, first your saved then you come to a knowledge of the truth). You may, again, say that the word “all” there means “some,” but I tell you that is just ignoring the text. Wouldn’t God just say there that he wills for some men to be saved and be done with it? God is not the author of confusion, is he? His hand is not too short that he cannot save is it?
Think about it. If you have ever wished for the salvation of all men in your heart, and have prayed for it (as you are instructed to do in 1 Tim. 2:1-5), and would have effected it if it were in your power, you must also have wondered how it is that God (who is a million times more merciful than you) would be any less compassionate than you. Isn’t it more logical to suspect that a God who gives his only begotten Son to die for his own enemies, might not devise a way for all to be spared through him? Did he create the creature to destroy him in eternal fire? Does that sound like the God who is plenteous in mercy and longsuffering and whose mercy endureth forever? It’s just my hope Grant. I know what the party line is. Shalom.
I agree with most of what you have said here. I think my previous comment agrees, as do some of my other writings. I have no major argument with your position, except for your stance in agreement with universal atonement / universal salvation.
I can but lift out a few points for commentary.
I don’t believe that any person can distinguish between the two natural men. There certainly is no visible or concrete distinction. God alone makes that distinction, as you have proffered by your exposition of 1 Cor 4:7. Neither do I believe that we have any Biblical reason to make such distinction. Post salvation, however, it certainly becomes more obvious to the believer who they are. Among others, they shall be known by their fruits (Matthew 7:16-20).
The Bible versions which I consult render that verse in the same way.
Nevertheless, let us take a look at Matthew 1:21 “And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins” (Matthew 1:21), to ascertain the nature of the distinction between “all” and “some”.
The promise here given is that the Lord Jesus Christ “shall save his people from their sins.” Who are his people? Who are these people specifically designated “his people,” whom he came into this world specifically to save?
Obviously, his people were his people long before he came here to save them. The angel said to Joseph, “He shall save his people from their sins.” He did not say, “He shall save those who shall be his people.” Whoever his people are, they were his people before he saved them, and they were his people before he came to save them. They were his people from eternity (Ps. 110:3; John 6:39; 10:16).
Almost everyone presumes that Christ came here to save everybody. Lost preachers everywhere love to please their lost hearers and tell them exactly what they are hired to tell them: — “God loves you.” — “Jesus died for you.” — “The Lord wants to save you.” — “But the decision is yours.”
That is not what we read in Matthew 1:21. That is not the doctrine of our Holy Scripture. If Christ came to save everyone in the world, if he died for everyone, where is the love of God? If Christ died to redeem and save all men, if he loves all, then his love is meaningless. — Where is the justice of God? If Christ died for all and some yet perish under the wrath of God, the justice of God falls to the ground, for he punishes sin both in the sinner and in his Son. — Where is the immutability of God? If he gave his Son to die for all because of his great love for them, and then sends many to hell, his love changes to wrath. — Where is the divinity of Christ? If he tries to save any he fails to save, he cannot be God.
What does the Word of God say? That alone is our standard. If a man does not speak according to the words of the Book, it is because there is no light in him. To teach that Christ came to save those who are lost at last in hell as well as those who are saved is to deny the very deity of Christ. He is not and cannot be God, he is not and cannot be our Savor, if he fails to do what he came to do, if people whom he loves now can become the objects of his wrath later, if his blood does not fully satisfy the justice of God.
The Lord Jesus Christ did not come to save all people everywhere. He came to save his people everywhere, his distinct, peculiar, chosen people. Who are his people? They are his seed (Ps. 22:30; Isa. 53:10-12), his sheep (John 10:11, 15, 26), his chosen bride (Eph. 5:25-27), his elect (Eph. 1:3-6), all who trust him (1 Thess. 1:4).
Who are his people? They are those people whom God the Father chose in Christ before the world began, whom he loved with an everlasting love, whom he predestinated unto the adoption of sons from eternity by Jesus Christ to himself, to the praise of the glory of his grace, according to the good pleasure of his own will (Rom. 8:28-31).
Thanks again for commenting, Daniel. Grace to you.
I agree with what you have said and I understand your position perfectly. What I don’t agree with is the notion that universal salvation, in some eternity future, negates the deity of Christ. I don’t see that. Indeed, I can conceive of a scenario which would have no effect on the deity of Christ. He could very well save “his people” here on earth and they could walk about as he did interceeding for others, and being killed for others, and God could use the death of Christ’s people on earth and who have been called to be slaughtered every day like lambs (who are spiritually the body of Christ and just in God’s sight) as an atonement for (the unjust) those who didn’t believe in this generation, such that the just would be sacrificed for the unjust. After all, Christ says plainly that as He is in the believer what you do to a believer you to do him. See Matthew 25:40. Just like all men sinned in Adam, aren’t we told that Christ’s people also died on that cross when Christ died?
Moreover, the book says that it shall come to pass that all who call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. See Acts 2:21; Joel 2:32. It doesn’t say when that must take place. Then we read that every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Romans 14:11; Isaiah 45:23. The rich man in the story of Lazarus the poor man, is neither kneeeling nor confessing that Jesus is Lord. When then would he do that which the book says he must do. Is he not part of that every knee and every tongue? Why are Christians called firstfruits? See James 1:18. Doesn’t that presuppose more fruit? Why does the book say that Jesus was sent into the world by the Father so that through Jesus, (that is through the blood of his cross), all things in heaven and earth would be reconciled unto God? See Colossians 1:20. Only the devil the beast and the false prophet are thrown into the fire at the end of Revelation. They are the only ones who are named. The others are variously called idolaters, fornicators, murderers, etc., but that is true of anyone who is not in Christ (has not confessed that Jesus Christ is Lord.). Is it possible that the devil, the beast and the false prophet are the personal representative of that corporate group of idolaters, fornicators, murderers, etc.?
I too understand the Christian doctrines quite well, (and I don’t preach universal salvation to the lost, because Christ did not preach it), but I also hope and trust in the mercy of God, and realize that it is equally possible that human beings have for centuries gotten it wrong and introduced their own interpretation of God’s Word. (Indeed, I see many pharisaical ministers who enjoy feeling that they are “the chosen” of God):
Who, after all, recognized Jesus for who he was when he came on the scene 2000 years ago? It seems no one did except those who were hoping he would be the one. Those to whom God the Father had given the faith to hope and believe that there redemption was at hand. In sum, it was given to poor sinners. It was not given to those who presumptuously believed that they knew all the doctrines and mysteries of God (the Pharisees).
The true Christian Grant is a person who hopes against hope. See Romans 4:18. I too am hoping against hope that all men, whoever they may be and whatever they may have done, will be saved. I say this because I empathize with all men as I share in the infirmity of their flesh and I too once walked in darkness. I was, as they, a puppet of the prince of the power of the air and walked according to the course of this world. Knowing this, I hope and pray for all men to be saved, as that is the express will of the Father. Don’t you do the same? And if God the Father has indeed commanded you to pray for all men, wouldn’t it be a vain thing if it could never be so? Who are you praying for I ask? The elect? Shalom.
Hi again Daniel,
In the second paragraph you mentioned James chapter 1:verse 18 part b, ‘that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures’.
My understanding of firstfruits in the Old Testament is the first of the crops that were offered to God by the Jews.
Christ in relation to the resurrection is called the Firstfruits because He was the first to be resurrected. He was resurrected so Christians will be resurrected when He returns to judge the world.
In relation to the James quote : The Judeo-Christian church was the firstfruits of all the Christian churches (the Gentiles) that would believe and follow Christ. The Jewish Christians were the first Christians so therefore the ‘firstfruits’.
What do you make of the last verse here:
“For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.”
1 Timothy 4:8-10.
Why would Paul say that? Why doesn’t he just say that God is the Saviour of all those who believe? Why does he say that God is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe? Maybe there is some grammatical principle in Greek, some Hebraic idiom, or some translation error, or something I don’t quite understand here, but it appears to me (as a matter of logic) to refer to God saving all, but some especially so. Please help me with this because I truly don’t know, and I am not being facetious, truly I am not. Maybe it isn’t logical to see it the way I do; I still think you need to do some serious mental gymnastics to arrive at the conclusion that God is not the Saviour of all men, as the verse so clearly states, but perhaps I am not reading it correctly. (I do know that Paul’s reference to God being the Saviour of all men is not really the principal doctrinal point he is making, but I still think it is important or he wouldn’t have phrased it that way.). If you wouldn’t mind, please share your thoughts with me on this. Shalom.
I have read your letter to Grant and I thought I might offer my own interpretation after reading commentaries and my bible.
The commentary that I think is the most accurate is the one by Barnes. If you google Studylight.org, Barnes’ Notes on the New Testament you will find a good explanation of 1 Timothy Chapter 4:8-10.
Paul wanted to convince Timothy that God being ‘The Saviour of all men’ included Gentiles, not just Jews. There would be many Gentiles who believed and were saved but the Jews probably thought the gospel of salvation was only for them and not for ‘all other men’ who were Gentiles.
I don’t want to detract from Grant’s answer but I thought these insights might help you understand these verses.
Thank you for adding this.
Sorry to send you so many comments. Please forgive me. I don’t have much time during the day to do this so I am shooting them all off here. Anyway, my comment/question: What does this mean:?
“For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.”
Why is it necessary that the Jews not believe for us (the Gentiles) to receive God’s mercy? And why does God conclude them all in unbelief, so that he might have mercy upon all? What is the point of that? I see a deeper mystery here than what has been revealed and I think if you look at Paul’s statements before and after these verses you can see that he is hinting at it. And he is not just talking about Jacob. I would specifically point you to Romans 11:11-13:
“I say then, Have they (the Jews) stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?” (parenthetical added).
How much more their fulness? Hmmm. I know the secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the revealed things belong to us and our children forever. Deuteronomy 29:29. So I ask myself, is not something being revealed here which is even greater than simply the reconciling of the Jews, to which Paul makes reference in v. 26-27? Maybe those who are called (Kings, Prophets and Priests), should dig into this a little more? See Proverbs 25:2. I’m sure if there’s anything to it, it’s buried in the OT somewhere. Shalom.
Thank you again for your comments. As you say, they are extensive. I do have an understanding for your time constraints. I run a national manufacturing and distribution wholesaler, due to which I am away from home and the office for three to four days out of nearly every week, a routine which has been on-going for a few decades.
For that reason and due to the unrelated nature of my business, I too have severely limited time at my disposal to frequent social media. In fact, I have virtually no involvement in social internet media outside of this blog and I try to keep that involvement to an absolute minimum. To be frank, I find the whole virtual social media world quite loathsome and of very little positive value.
The reason behind this blog, as set out in our “About” section, is not by any means to illicit or enter into debate concerning the content. As mentioned, I don’t have much time or inclination. Articles I write on certain issues, are simply due to a heartfelt passion for the truth of God’s Word, and at other times because someone has asked me to expand on a particular subject. Of course, that does not mean to say that I am unwilling to converse with readers and commentators from time to time, provided that it is edifying and if possible, brief.
You have posed many questions and it is quite evident that you have spent much time considering, probing and questioning the topic. I do appreciate the due consideration you have given to the way in which you have put the questions and statements, although in general, you apply circular reasoning. I hope you can break free from that rut and find peace in simply accepting the will of God in the matter. Quite frankly I wouldn’t know where to start in answering them, and it seems likely that you would continue to dispute my answers. Considering that my numerous articles and responses to your previous comments have dealt at length with the subject, it would simply be a repetition if I were to respond at any greater length. It rather seems that you intend to argue the point in trying to dispute the Biblical truth regarding the Sovereignty of God in salvation and the particular atonement of Jesus Christ.
The passages of Scripture you have quoted cannot be taken to support universal salvation. You said that you continue to hope against hope that all men will be saved. I have not met a true Christian who does not hold that hope dear. What Christian would hope against hope that all men would be lost? Nevertheless, the fact is that not all men are saved. You said that the book says that it shall come to pass that all who call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. The fact is that not all call on the name of the Lord.
If you wish to dispute those facts, or the reasons for them being so, then your dispute is with the Word of God. If the Word itself cannot convince you of those truths, I certainly can’t.
I pray that you find peace in understanding.
God be thanked for the simplicity of the gospel. The longer I live, the more I bless God that we have not received a classical gospel, nor a mathematical gospel, nor a metaphysical gospel; it is not a gospel confined to scholars and men of genius, but a poor man’s gospel, a ploughman’s gospel; for that is the kind of gospel which we can live upon and die upon. It is to us not the luxury of refinement, but the staple food of life. We want no fine words when the heart is heavy, neither do we need deep problems when we are lying upon the verge of eternity, weak in body and tempted in mind. At such times, we magnify the blessed simplicity of the gospel. Jesus in the flesh made manifest becomes our soul’s bread. Jesus bleeding on the cross, a substitute for sinners, is our soul’s drink. This is the gospel for babes, and strong men want no more.
Charles H. Spurgeon
Shalom Grant. I thank the Lord for you for your comments and the time you have taken to discuss the matter with me. May the grace of our Lord be with you.
… and thank you also, Daniel, for contributing to the discussion. God’s Grace and peace to you too.
I thank the Lord God of Israel for your comments. The explanation sounds reasonable. May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.
Your servant in Christ,
Ok. That sounds like a reasonable explanation. I thank the Lord for you and the explanation you have given me. May the grace of our Lord be with your spirit.
You are welcome Daniel. Pleased that I can be of help to you. May the grace of God be with you also.
I need to get info about DR. Kenneth Meshoe for a school project.
Can you maybe help?
-His school years?
-How did he started to work in democracy?
-His most important contribution to the Democracy?
I need to ad that I was visiting Israel last Year during The Feast of Tabernacles, and I was
so impress with him and his passion towards Israel and the people. I know God the Father will bless him and the part he will play in the Future. He turned me towards the ACDP. He made a permanent impression on me and my life.
No, I have no info on Kenneth Meshoe, apart from what we read in the press.