It has come to our attention that Rick Joyner will visit South Africa in July 2012 , he will be leading and teaching with Oom (Uncle) Angus Buchan from the Mighty Men Revivals and of Faith like Potatoes fame at the The Apostolic Prophetic Conference of Neville Norden’s church Lewende Woord. We also previously reported on Gretha Wiid from the Worthy Women Revivals, Buchan’s South African female understudy.
Here below you may read why the teachings of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) is dangerous. We need to test everything to see if it is from God. It is unloving to not warn others of false teachings. We are also told in Scripture to earnestly contend for the faith. I heard this recent Quote from Justin Peters : It is a sin to be undiscerning .
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. (ESV)
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them. (Romans 1:28-32 NKJV)
Contend for the Faith
3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. (Jude 1:3-4 NKJV)
If a certain Bible Teacher continually Teaches error (re: Essential Christian Doctrine,etc) after they, the the Bible Teacher or Professing Christian, has been warned by the Body of Christ of this Error— it would be very UNLOVING & BIBLICALLY INCORRECT if we, God’s People, didn’t lovingly WARN other FELLOW BROTHERS & SISTERS in Christ of these BIBLICAL ERRORS. We are to WARN others out of LOVE for the TRUTH (Eph 4:15, Jude 1:1-4) & for the ETERNAL SAFETY of God’s People, His Flock (Acts 20:28-32, 1 Peter 5:2-4, John 10). We Warn others of the DANGERS of these Teachings &/or False Teachers who are PREACHING & TEACHING things that are CONTRARY to God’s Word— those who are keeping people Focused on this Life, on the BROAD PATH leading to Destruction (Hell) with their: Vague Watered-Down-gospel of Half-truths, etc. It does NOT matter what the INTENTIONS or MOTIVES of these Ministers are either— i.e. A False Teacher might be a WELL MEANING PERSON, who’s Agenda might NOT be out to Intentionally hurt God’s People. In fact they might believe 1000% that they are doing God’s Work. But whether they’re out to Deceive people on Purpose or Not, it doesn’t matter— as this False Teacher might be a Victim of Satan’s Lies himself— being that he is DUPED & DECEIVED! See More at this Link: BEWARE OF FALSE TEACHERS. And there are many Ministers who are NOT doing what God’s Word Exhorts them to do and that is to GUARD the SHEEP (God’s People, His Flock) that has been ENTRUSTED to THEM. (Acts 20:28-32, 1 Tim 6:20-21, 1 Peter 5:2-4). Read more about Judging Others – Should Christians Judge? on http://so4j.com/
An important note when viewing the info and links below about Rick Joyner, Angus Buchan, Neville Norden, Danie Slabert and Pastor/Apostle T.E. Mbedzi. PLEASE READ WITH DISCERNMENT AND THE LINKS ARE PROVIDED, AS PROOF ARE NOT SAFE OR ENDORSED BY THIS BLOG.
(Info about Rick Joyner found here – http://www.lewendewoord.co.za/apc_profiles/)
Read this article RICK JOYNER, TODD BENTLEY, AND THE NEW APOSTOLIC REFORMATION By Apprising Ministries correspondent Chrystal Whitt of Slaughter of the Sheep
Also read Rick Joyner False Teacher – Church of Altered States
Latter Rain – New Apostolic Reformation / Kingdom Now& Kansas City Prophets / Dominion Theology / Manifest Sons of God (Joel’s Army) / Third Wave / Toronto Blessing – is all False Teachings regarding the Modern Day Prophet & Apostle Movement in the Church. Latter Rain brought forth other Unbiblical False Teachings such as the Manifested Sons of God. This whole movement was condemned by the Assemblies of God in 1949. False Teachers in the movement: the late William Branham, C.Peter Wagner (Vineyard), Rick Joyner (above), Bill Hamon, Mike Bickle (IHOP), Paul Cain, Bob Jones, Todd Bentley, Patricia King, Francis Frangipane…(READ MORE HERE : http://so4j.com/false-teachings-latter-rain-new-apostolic-reformation.php )
The Picture below is the pamphlet that is being distributed for advertising in SA : BEWARE Wolves !!
The advertising video (View with discernment please !)
I am sure the discerning reader will pick up on the theme used in the picture below : Do we detect Dominionist theology/Kingdom Now theology ? What is it in short ?
Please read our article NOT A KINGDOM NOW written by a dear brother and friend Prof Johan Malan.
Angus Buchan from Mighty Men Conferences and Faith Like Potatoes
(Info about Angus Buchan found here – http://www.lewendewoord.co.za/apc_profiles/)
Some important notes about Angus Buchan and why things are not safe.
1) South African Theologian, IT Consultant, Blogger and former Charismatic Pentecostal Pastor, EJ Hill (1977-), opposed Buchan in an essay, entitled “Angus Buchan (1947-)”.
2) Read this open letter to Angus Buchan written by a dear brother contending for the faith Alan Lester written in 2008 :
Open letter to Angus – Alan Lester
3) Also read our articles placed with full permission by Prof Johan Malan a dear friend and brother of ours . Thank you Prof Malan.
Spiritual Deception, Revival and Angus Buchan (South Africa’s Charismatic “Hajj”)
4) Angus Buchan: Evangelist or Revivalist?
Who else is taking hands with Rick Joyner & Angus Buchan at their Apostolic and Prophetic Conference:
(Info about Danie Slabert found here , http://www.lewendewoord.co.za/apc_profiles/)
Please ! if you watch this video clip about Danie Slabert , do so with discernment and care.
Nevil Norden from Lewende Woord (Living Word)
(Info about Neville Norden found here – http://www.lewendewoord.co.za/apc_profiles/ )
A Note about Neville Norden on his Unbiblical view on speaking in Tongues.
What is very concerning and an unbiblical teaching by, Neville Norden , what he says about the ability of the gift of speaking in tongues (gibberish language) . He says if one is baptized with the holy spirit and do not speak in tongues it is because of ignorance. It then means if someone does not speak in tongues (gibberish language) one can therefore not be saved ? He also says it is wrong for someone not to practice the speaking in tongues (gibberish language) if one has been baptized in the holy spirit. This is not true or Biblical.
Here is the truth about the gift on tongues.
Here below is also the full sermon series done by Pastor John MacArthur about Speaking in tongues. This is the Biblical truth Not what Neville Norden says and teaches.
The Truth About Tongues, Part 1
The Truth About Tongues, Part 2
The Truth About Tongues, Part 3
The Truth About Tongues, Part 4
Such ecstasies and ecstatic speech is very common in pagan religion. ~ John MacArthur
(Below is an exert in Afrikaans of what Nevill Norden says about speaking in tongues )– http://upetd.up.ac.za/thesis/submitted/etd-11102006-164248/unrestricted/03chapter8.pdf
Pastor/Apostle T.E. Mbedzi
(Info about Apostle T.E. Mbedzi found here http://www.lewendewoord.co.za/apc_profiles/ )
We attended the Justin Peters , A Call for Discernment seminar held on the 1st and 2nd June 2012. Justin exposes the unbiblical teachings of the Word of Faith (WOF) /New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) movement and if you can get to any of the rest of his seminars it is worth it, please get there , the seminars are being held across South Africa until 17 June 2012 Please follow the link here : Justin Peters A Call for Discernment South African Seminar Tour – From: 1 – 17 JUNE 2012 But if you cannot attend the seminar, you can find the Audio links to the Pretoria seminar here : Justin Peters A Call for Discernment South African Seminar Tour Mp3′s .
Understanding the Dangers of NAR (New Apostolic Reformation)
To further understand the dangers of this movement below is important information and links that will be helpful in furthering your understanding as to why this movement is dangerous and nothing but cultic doctrines wrapped in Christian Theology.
In the audio clips below , Bob DeWaay and Dick Duffel discusses , The New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) , which focuses on the establishment of new apostles and prophets in the church. Bob shows from the scriptures that were only 12 Apostles given in person by Jesus Christ. Therefore, no more apostles are given for today. We still have the ministry of apostles since we have their writings in the new testament. Many of these self appointed false apostles and prophets speaking supposedly great things today, are leading people astray as they force new revelations and prophecy on their congregates. We do have some first hand experience in this movement as we attended one these apostolic churches in our hometown. Much of what they did looked so much like the truth, and the justification for such actions were based on new revelations that contradicted scripture.
Below is also the link to the article Bob DeWaay wrote on this matter. I suggest that everyone listening to the audio clips do two things:
1) Get out your Bible .
2) Read Bob Dewaay’s article on this movement Here http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue103.htm
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What Is The New Apostolic Reformation? (And Why Should We Be Concerned About It?)
Posted by Christine Pack
We all know about pandemics, right? The World Health Organization will often track a virus that is in pigs or birds or some other known animal carrier. The virus being tracked could stay within its animal group for years, not causing problems for humans, but sometimes, for unknown reasons, the virus will unexpectedly “jump” from its animal group……to humans. That’s what the scientists are always concerned about, and when that happens, they sit up and take notice, and start churning out public service warnings, because they know this previously harmless virus could potentially turn into a very dangerous, and deadly, pandemic.
In somewhat the same way, a new movement – with some pretty strange beliefs – inside of Christian evangelicalism called the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) has gathered lethal momentum very unexpectedly. This movement had up until recently only been taught and believed inside the hyper-charismatic movement (think IHOP, Kansas City Prophets, Mike Bickle, etc.). But now, having somehow “jumped” from its normal carrier, rather than being “contained” as a strange belief system that would only impact a limited number of people, it suddenly began to go viral when big names on the political right began to align themselves with the big names from the charismatic Christian side.
Why exactly has the NAR, which makes alarming use of militant “warfare” language and talks of “taking dominion” over the world “one mountain at a time,” gotten so big, so fast, and with so many big political names attached? In my view, it’s because there are many on the political right, who, despite their moralistic stance, have a tendency to be more invested in political strategy, power and numbers than in sound doctrine and biblical truth. Thus, to the political right without discernment, Numbers = Power. And I suspect this is what happened: they looked out over the landscape of the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement (which is an extremely large segment of professing Christians), decided this was representative of “Christianity,” did the math, and then jumped on board.
|The 7 Mountain Mandate|
But let me back up here and give a little background information about the NAR. The New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), as I noted, is a movement that has its roots in the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements (Latter Day Rain, Kansas City Prophets, International House of Prayer-IHOP, Joel’s Army). This movement is loaded with self-appointed “apostles” and “prophets” (who take Ephesians 4:11-13 out of context to to defend the idea that the office of apostle and prophet are still valid today). The leaders of this movement believe and teach that Christians have a mandate to reclaim “for Christ” Seven Mountains of influence, which they have designated as:
1 – Business
2 – Government
3 – Family
4 – Religion
5 – Media
6 – Education
7 – Entertainment
This movement and its 7 Mountain Mandate has been very enticing to Christians who hold to a Dominionist view, which is the idea that the church’s role is to “take back” dominion of the earth from Satan. This is based on a faulty understanding of Psalm 8:6 and Genesis 1:26. Dominionists assume (wrongly) that the dominion God gave to Adam and Eve extended to the spiritual realm (not just the physical realm), and that they therefore had the power and ability, when they sinned, to give the world over to Satan. Dominionists think that they are mandated by God, through these misinterpreted Scriptures, to take back all these spheres of influence, thus reclaiming the world spiritually for God, and then Christ will return. This view has also been extremely seductive to the Conservative Right, because hey, the idea of knuckling down and working hard is what America is all about, right? So there you have it: combine the errant “doctrine” of Kingdom Now/Dominionism from the Pentecostal/Charismatic camp with the moralism of the Conservative Right, and you’ve got one dangerous pandemic, because both groups, in their own ways, are tremendously influential and powerful.
Who are the players in the NAR movement? It’s a long list that is growing longer by the day, but below are some of the names currently associated with the NAR. And please note that the presence of a name on this list does NOT mean that the person in question showed up only one time on a random list somewhere or attended one NAR conference, and then disassociated themselves. Each person on this list has had repeated associations and/or dealings with the NAR, and without any record of concern over the heretical theology of the IHOP/New Apostles aspect of the NAR. Now having said that, this doesn’t necessarily mean that all who are on the list are high level movers and shakers in the NAR……I do think that some could be somewhat innocent as to the core theology they’ve become yoked with. So my article is not an attempt to smear or slander anyone, but to highlight some repeated associations that are causing concern:
Friends, the NAR is a dangerous and rapidly growing movement that is, sadly, capturing the hearts and minds of many conservative Christians who have been enticed with the idea of “saving” America though Christian activism. In truth, Christians are not ever, anywhere in Scripture, promised easy lives, or even the “right” to live in freedom. But please note that the siren lure of political activism is nothing new. Do we not remember that even Jesus’s disciples repeatedly jockeyed for position in the earthly kingdom they wished for and desired for Jesus to institute?
“They came to Capernaum. When he was in the house, he asked them, “What were you arguing about on the road?” But they kept quiet because on the way they had argued about who was the greatest.” (Mark 9:33-34)
And even after Jesus’s resurrection, they were still questioning Jesus about the earthly kingdom they hoped for:
“So when they met together, they asked him, ‘Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?'” (Acts 1:6)
The NAR teaches that, through the advancement of medicine, science, technology and the gospel, this world is getting better and better. That through strategically “capturing” each of the designated “mountains,” we will set up Jesus’ earthly kingdom, and that once we have accomplished this, Jesus will return as the glittering jewel in the crown of his earthly kingdom. But is this true? Is this what the Bible teaches? Let us let Scripture lead us on the matter of Jesus’ kingdom:
“Jesus answered, ‘My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.'” (John 18:36, my emphasis)
The life of a born again Christian is not complicated. Become reconciled to a high and holy God through the shed blood of Jesus, share the gospel, be persecuted, and die. But the seductive lure of an earthly life in which we (the Christians) control the earth and all that is in it, is a dream that dies hard. And now the NAR, with its utopian vision of heaven on earth, has once again showed us that very few people are willing to do as Jesus taught us, and that is to “Count the cost“ (Luke 14:25-35) and “Take up your cross and follow me“(Matthew 16:24). Flee from this movement, my fellow Christians.
“There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death.” (Prov 14:12)
A Personal Note: Please send this article to your loved ones so that they can be on the look-out for this dangerous movement sweeping through Christianity. I consider this to be one of the most important articles I have ever written, and I regret not having written it sooner. And please understand that I have only scratched the surface in this article. Unfortunately, the NAR is such a massive movement, with so many tentacles, and so many people involved, that it was almost impossible to talk about it concisely. It is almost unfathomable to me how many people have been affected by this dangerous movement. Hardly a day goes by that I don’t hear from at least one person who has personally had to flee a once solid church because this teaching has suddenly swept in, or someone who has watched a loved one be seduced by it, or someone who has even been unwittingly swept up in this movement themselves.
The Coalescing of the Christian Right with Apostolic Dominionism
The Theology of the 7 Mountain Mandate
The New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) Makes Strange Bedfellows
The Tea Party’s Strange Bedfellows and What They Believe
Articles Documenting the Theological Problems with the NAR
Say No to Rick Perry’s “The Response” Prayer Event
Potentially Millions of Evangelicals Compromising the Gospel by Joining With Glenn Beck
I’m Sorry, Glenn….It’s Over. It’s Not Me, It’s You.
Christians Putting the Flag Before the Cross? – Part 1
Christians Putting the Flag Before the Cross? – Part 2
“Why I Believe Christians Should Not Participate in Governor Perry’s “The Response” and Why It is NOT “Just A Prayer Event” (by Brannon Howse)
Pastor Justin Peters Explains Why the Word of Faith Movement is Dangerous and Unbiblical – Part 1
Pastor Justin Peters Explains Why the Word of Faith Movement is Dangerous and Unbiblical – Part 2
Todd Bentley – “Kick Her In The Face”
I thank my sister Christine Pack for permission to place the article, What Is The New Apostolic Reformation? (And Why Should We Be Concerned About It?)
Please also visit the website of my sister Martha Mac for excellent resources and Biblical teachings :
It is verry sad to c that brothers stil sont love one another ,if you want to judge the teachers mensioned here to it by its fruit , are the people proclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord ,YES ,do they believe that God the Father raised Him from the dead ,YES and that Jesus came in the flesh ,YES , I don’t know how mutch time you guys waste slandering each other where the people in the World are goin lost ,they are excluded and this ongoing battle is actually inside the church of Christ and no not your body of Christ or any one others body of Christ but the THE BODY OF CHRIST which are those that confess that Jesus is Lord ,and last time I checked that includes you and all those that have been slanderd tday all confess to this thruth and we know that no one can confess Jesus is Lord but by the Holy Spirit ,it looks like the Body has become confused and its focus is turned to each other rather than preaching the Gospel the the unbeliever ,but hey what do I know ,I not a big player in the religious orgenizazions ,but one thing that I have is a love for God ,njoy the rest of your day
jean de beer
I strongly suggest the following articles also on this blog.
jean de beer
Why do you think Jesus and His Apostles warned so many times about false teachings ?
Here is but a few verses :
2Timothy 4:3-5 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, (4) and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. (5) As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[a] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[b] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
EXCELLENT POST! I AGREE.
Jean, I so agree with you. People expect perfection from leaders and automatically place them on narrow pedestals just waiting for them to fall. God calls men that already has the passion which He burned in their hearts and readies them. Christ’s disciples were actually very pathetic by the looks of them, yet they were called anyway. They had the passion to do the Lords will. Even one of the disciples hanged himself for betraying Christ, yet God still loved him anyway. Are there really called men today that do not falter. Does God expect perfection?
I have stumbled onto this website and I know It means to do well, but is there any help offerred to actually go visit these men that are already judged, packaged and ready for hell. The Word says to go and correct your brother in love. Actual LOVE! Maybe they could’ve corrected themselves by admitting theyr’e wrong, but no, we are the quickest to judge. The Church is still not ready or effective because it is devided within itself.
The prof who wrote and created this website is safe, i am safe from correction because they don’t know my sin and my lusts etc. my mission here is not to protect these preachers but to point out how quick we are to say “warning” – “rick joiner this and Angus Buchan that” I am not affilliated with any denomination yet I counsel, preach and love people. I find it terrifying to judge others because I was judged and falsely accused. People didn’t bother to find out the truth. But when the truth came out, no none even were sorry. Thankfully Christ said, ” I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail”. The Father readies the Church for His only begotten Son. Passion does not require perfection. It requires righteousness with the Father. Christ had to become imperfect for us. He became flesh. Yet He had the passion to do the Lords will.
Please, I’m not on a mission to offend or hurt anyone. My heart breaks for the church because there are broken lost people out there and we know the way to the saviour, Jesus Christ.
Love you all, keep up the good race.
Willie and Jean
Thank you both for commenting here. It is evident from your comments that you both have a compassion for those who are lost and who have not received Jesus as their Saviour. Rightfully so, as Christians we should have such compassion and concern. That is why we must make the Gospel and the Truth known to all the world (Matt. 28:16-20)
As far as making the truth known, or taking the truth, to the two men which this article addresses: this has been done by many, in many ways and on many occasions. There are open letters and records of many meetings between these men and many different true evangelical leaders, in which they have been confronted and their errors have been exposed and addressed. Nonetheless, they both continue to reject biblical truth and refuse to repent from their error and to correct their false messages and evil practices.
By accepting the error of others who claim to be Christians, but deliver messages which do harm to the truth, we do not act according to that which the Bible instructs us. Allowing someone to remain in error, because we are afraid of offending them, is not a loving thing to do. That person couild end up in hell because we did not point out their error.
Being tolerant of the obvious error of others is not what the Christian commission is. If by us remaining silent, while we know through Scripture that someone like Rick Joyner is preaching the doctrines of demons, someone who is seeking the truth is lost because of our silence, we are in far greater error than if we had spoken out against the error. The blood of that lost soul will be held against our account. Eze 3:18 “If I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, in order to save his life, that wicked person shall die for his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand.”
Finally, simply because someone proclaims Jesus does not mean they are saved, or for that matter even Christian. Look at what James 2:19 tells us: “You believe that there is one God; you do well: the demons also believe, and tremble.” Even Satan and his demons believe in God and in Jesus as the Son of God. They should, because they have interacted with God for ages! They have had firsthand experience of God’s existence. But that does not mean that God has accepted them and granted them access to heaven. Quite the opposite is true, because they have known God, and have proclaimed His Son, and yet they still do not know the truth, or practice the truth, they have made their own damnation eben more sure.
Blessings to you both
After all this I am totally confused,who is right or are you just confusing us all
Please give more detail why are you confused ?
Please see my previous comment made. Thank you.
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