Mormons A Cult

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Summed Up Info on: Mormons the Cult

Mormon’s are a very deceptive Cult, and sadly believe that God lives on a Planet called Kolab!- They believe that God is married to his goddess wife and has spirit children (Mormon Doctrine, p. 516).

Mormon’s wrongly Teach that Men can become gods, and that God Himself is merely an Exalted man.The Founder of Mormonism, Joseph Smith— is a False Teacher, who wrongly taught that Jesus & Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163.). He also taught that he (Joseph Smith) would sit in Judgment of the World. He Falsely Prophesied that Quakers lived on the Moon.

Joseph Smith, the False Teacher, also states that after you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-347, 354).

Mormons believe that there is no salvation [the context is the full gospel including exaltation to Godhood] outside the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon Doctrine, p. 670).

They wrongly believe that a plan of salvation was needed for the people of earth so Jesus offered a plan to the Father and Satan offered a plan to the father but Jesus’ plan was accepted. In effect the Devil wanted to be the Savior of all Mankind and to “deny men their agency and to dethrone god,” (Mormon Doctrine, p. 193; Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 8).

They also wrongly believe that Jesus’ sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, 1856, p. 247).

They wrongly believe that Good works are necessary for salvation (Articles of Faith, p. 92).

They wrongly believe that there is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 188).

What is Mormonism? What Do Mormons Believe?

The Mormon religion (Mormonism), whose followers are known as Mormons and Latter Day Saints (LDS), was founded less than two hundred years ago by a man named Joseph Smith. He claimed to have received a personal visit from God the Father and Jesus Christ who told him that all churches and their creeds were an abomination. Joseph Smith then set out to begin a brand-new religion that claims to be the “only true church on earth.” The problem with Mormonism is that it contradicts, modifies, and expands on the Bible. Christians have no reason to believe that the Bible is not true and adequate. To truly believe in and trust God means to believe in His Word, and all Scripture is inspired by God, which means it comes from Him (2 Timothy 3:16).

Mormons believe that there are in fact four sources of divinely inspired words, not just one: 1) The Bible “as far as it is translated correctly.” Which verses are considered incorrectly translated is not always made clear. 2) The Book of Mormon, which was “translated” by Smith and published in 1830. Smith claimed it is the “most correct book” on earth and that a person can get closer to God by following its precepts “than by any other book.” 3) The Doctrine and Covenants, containing a collection of modern revelations regarding the “Church of Jesus Christ as it has been restored.” 4) The Pearl of the Great Price, which is considered by Mormons to “clarify” doctrines and teachings that were lost from the Bible and adds its own information about the earth’s creation.

Mormons believe the following about God: He has not always been the Supreme Being of the universe, but attained that status through righteous living and persistent effort. They believe God the Father has a “body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s.” Though abandoned by modern Mormon leaders, Brigham Young taught that Adam actually was God and the father of Jesus Christ. In contrast, Christians know this about God: there is only one true God (Deuteronomy 6:4Isaiah 43:1044:6-8), He always has existed and always will exist (Deuteronomy 33:27Psalm 90:21 Timothy 1:17), and He was not created but is the Creator (Genesis 1; Psalm 24:1Isaiah 37:16). He is perfect, and no one else is equal to Him (Psalm 86:8Isaiah 40:25). God the Father is not a man, nor was He ever (Numbers 23:191 Samuel 15:29Hosea 11:9). He is Spirit (John 4:24), and Spirit is not made of flesh and bone (Luke 24:39).

Mormons believe that there are different levels or kingdoms in the afterlife: the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, the telestial kingdom, and outer darkness. Where mankind will end up depends on what they believe and do in this life. In contrast, the Bible tells us that after death, we go to heaven or hell based on whether or not we had faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. To be absent from our bodies means, as believers, we are with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6-8). Unbelievers are sent to hell or the place of the dead (Luke 16:22-23). When Jesus comes the second time, we will receive new bodies (1 Corinthians 15:50-54). There will be a new heaven and new earth for believers (Revelation 21:1), and unbelievers will be thrown into an everlasting lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15). There is no second chance for redemption after death (Hebrews 9:27).

Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus’ incarnation was the result of a physical relationship between God the Father and Mary. Mormons believe Jesus is a god, but that any human can also become a god. Mormonism teaches that salvation can be earned by a combination of faith and good works. Contrary to this, Christians historically have taught that no one can achieve the status of God—only He is holy (1 Samuel 2:2). We can only be made holy in God’s sight through faith in Him (1 Corinthians 1:2). Jesus is the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16), is the only one ever to have lived a sinless, blameless life, and now has the highest place of honor in heaven (Hebrews 7:26). Jesus and God are one in essence, Jesus being the only One existing before physical birth (John 1:1-88:56). Jesus gave Himself to us as a sacrifice, God raised Him from the dead, and one day everyone will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (Philippians 2:6-11). Jesus tells us it is impossible to get to heaven by our own works and that only by faith in Him is it possible (Matthew 19:26). We all deserve eternal punishment for our sins, but God’s infinite love and grace have allowed us a way out. “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 6:23).

Clearly, there is only one way to receive salvation and that is to know God and His Son, Jesus (John 17:3). It is not done by works, but by faith (Romans 1:173:28). We can receive this gift no matter who we are or what we have done (Romans 3:22). “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).

Although Mormons are usually friendly, loving, and kind people, they are deceived by a false religion that distorts the nature of God, the Person of Jesus Christ, and the means of salvation.

Who was Joseph Smith?

By GotQuestions.org

Joseph Smith is widely known as the founder of the Mormon Church also known as Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Joseph Smith from an early age was thought to have certain occult powers. He was known at a young age as a seer and reportedly used a seer stone to tell him where he could find such precious metals as silver. Both he and his father were known “treasure seekers” and used divination and magic to carry out treasure seeking excursions. This of course brought him a name and a reputation. To this day, he is considered by some a saint and by others a complete charlatan.

Joseph Smith grew up during a time of spiritual revival in America known as restorationism. It was at this time, 1820, that Joseph Smith claimed to have received a marvelous vision in which God the Father and God the Son materialized and spoke to him as he was praying in the woods. He reportedly said that the two “personages” took a rather dim view of the Christian church and for that matter the world at large, and announced that a restoration of Christianity was needed, and that Smith had been chosen to launch the new dispensation. Since its beginnings until the present day, the Mormon Church holds the position that they alone represent true Christianity.

Mormon leaders have consistently taught that after the death of the Apostles, true Christianity had fallen into complete apostasy, making it necessary for a “restoration”. But even after the supposed heavenly visitation, Joseph Smith and friends continued to dig for treasure using occult methods. These methods were illegal in that day, and Smith was convicted of “glasslooking” in 1826. But before that conviction in Chenango County New York, the new “prophet of the Lord” continued to stir up controversy with yet another amazing close encounter with heaven. In 1823, Smith claimed to have been contacted by an angel named Moroni who revealed that there were golden plates at a certain location near Palmyra, New York. On the golden plates was a history of an ancient man named Mormon and his fabled ancient Hebrew tribe, who were said to be a new revelation, “another witness” to the truth of the Christian gospel. It was recorded in Mormon historical documents that the angel had provided special spectacles needed to help Smith translate the writings from the golden plates. It was also reported that during the translation, the man who was helping him had the privilege of having John the Baptist, accompanied by Peter, James and John, come to Pennsylvania on that day May 15, 1829 to confer upon the men the “Aaronic Priesthood”. These and other amazing stories are recorded in Smith’s book, Pearl of Great Price.

Joseph Smith claimed to have special visions and an incredible opening up of heaven to him. But a statement signed by sixty-two residents of Palmyra, New York, who wanted others to know that they had known him, his family, his beliefs, and his occultic excursions to find treasure declared him to be “entirely destitute of moral character and addicted to vicious habits.” Yet, he claimed to be God’s mouthpiece, and when he spoke, he claimed that God was speaking. This powerful position was taken seriously by many followers, and when Smith had a vision it was to be taken seriously, no matter if it flew in the face of “Christian” moral standards. His new “revelation from God” on polygamy is but one example.

Popular or not, his pronouncements “from God” took him quite a ways for quite a few years. His highly imaginative stories always read like science fiction, mixing and twisting Biblical truth with imagination. He was always careful to imitate Biblical truth, and many times he rewrites the Bible. To many, his theology is a twisted mirror image of real theology. It tempts by using a smattering of the real thing, the things that people know as Bible truth.

Joseph Smith met his end at the hands of an angry mob. Having attempted to quiet the polygamy issue after the church had settled in Nauvoo, Illinois, Smith and his followers destroyed an anti-Mormon newspaper building and consequently were arrested and in a jail awaiting trial. The jail was stormed by an angry mob of two hundred people and Joseph Smith and his brother were murdered. After his untimely death, there was a split in the “church”. The church he established remains centralized today both in Missouri, (the Community of Christ-RLDS) and in Utah, where many Mormons had followed their new leader, Brigham Young.

How Should Christians View the Book of Mormon?

When Mormon missionaries (properly called Latter Day Saints or simply “LDS”) come to your door they will often offer a free copy of the Book of Mormon and tell you about its author Joseph Smith. Smith, they will say, translated the Book of Mormon from golden plates he dug up in a hill in New York in the early 1800’s. This is supposed to confirm his calling from God as the new prophet on the Earth in these latter days. Further, they will tell you that the Holy Ghost will confirm the truth of the Book of Mormon truth by producing good feelings in you. Next will come the invitation to “Read the Book of Mormon, pray, and ask God to show you it is true.” Of course you must do this with sincerity or it won’t work.

Before you fall to your knees, there are some things you need to know that they are not telling you (and won’t unless you ask). The first concerns many LDS beliefs that separate them from historical, orthodox Christianity. These are not found in the Book of Mormon. In fact, there is really very little in that book that is doctrinally disagreeable to orthodox Christians. The real meat of Mormonism is found in their other scriptures, The Doctrine and Covenants and The Pearl of Great Price. These books, however, Mormons do not hand out at the door – and for good reason. If people knew up front what they were really going to be asked to believe (things such as God once being a man, denial of the Trinity, Satan being Jesus’ brother, pre-existence of souls, etc.) they may not be quite so willing to put aside their skepticism.

The second thing to realize is that to accept the Book of Mormon, one is in fact accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet. So what about this test of a prophet? Isn’t it legitimate to “give this question up to God?” No, it isn’t. This is because God has already revealed His test for would-be Prophets, and it has nothing to do with prayer or feelings, and God has no obligation to answer prayers that he has already answered! We do not have to ask God whether or not we should rob a bank or murder someone. Rather,James 1:5 says “If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God . . . and it will be given to him.” Wisdom is applied knowledge, not lack of it.

God never tells us to pray about what is true. When we want to know how tall a wall is, we don’t pray about it; we get something that we know is true (a ruler) and compare it to the wall. The Bible, God’s word, is true. That is our measuring stick for truth. See Acts 17:11, for example, which describes a group of people who were considered noble because when Paul came to them with the Christian message they “received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily, to see whether these things were so.”

Feelings are unreliable because they are subjective, easy to produce, and are not meant to discover facts but to tell us how we feel about facts. Psychological persuasion techniques, intensity, eye contact, or mere desire can produce feelings that feel real because they are real! But real feelings are still just letting us know how we are reacting to something, not the truthfulness of that thing. The Mormon missionary handbook specifically details these techniques and missionaries go through training on how to persuade people before they ever leave the house.

What are the biblical tests for a prophet? They are in God’s Word: Deuteronomy 18:21-22 says, “You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?” If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.” Did Joseph Smith ever claim “in the name of the LORD” that something would happen when it did not? Yes—many times in fact.

Joseph Smith prophesied that New York would be destroyed if they rejected the [Mormon] gospel (D&C 84:114-115). He also prophesied that the rebellion of South Carolina and war between the states would result in war being poured out upon all nations; slaves would revolt; the inhabitants of the earth would mourn; famine, plague, earthquake, thunder, lightning, and a full end of all nations would result (D&C 87). Oddly, this prophecy is the one most often cited by Mormons to prove Joseph Smith’s prophetic power!

Further, Deuteronomy 13:1-3 says that “if a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, ‘Let us follow other gods’ (gods you have not known) ‘and let us worship them,’ you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.” Did Joseph Smith lead his followers to other gods? Yes.

Joseph Smith was a polytheist. History of the Church 6:474 records Smith stating, “I wish to declare I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods.” Joseph Smith declared that “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 345). This is clearly not the biblical God.

Galatians 1:6-7 says that people may be “turning to a different gospel—which is really no gospel at all . . . trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.” And he pronounced a curse upon them for doing so. InRomans 1:16 Paul tells us that the gospel is “the power of God unto salvation” – that’s pretty important. Did Joseph Smith teach a “different Gospel”? Yes.

Mormons believe that the Book of Mormon contains the “fullness of the gospel.” The Book of Mormon says so itself in its introduction (see also Doctrines and Covenants 20:9; 27:5; 42:12; and 135:3). So what is the gospel according to Mormonism? It’s a tough question for many LDS to answer. According to Mormon apostle Bruce McConkie, author of the book Mormon Doctrine, the gospel is “the plan of salvation [that] embraces all of the laws, principles, doctrines, rites, ordinances, acts, powers, authorities, and keys necessary to save and exalt men.” In other words, the whole of Mormon theology. In the Mormon gospel we see belief + repentance + baptism + laying on of hands + temple work + mission work + church ministry + tithing + ceasing from sin + abstaining from the use of intoxicants and strong drinks and tobacco and caffeine + confessing Joseph Smith as Prophet + temple marriage + baptism for the dead + genealogy research . . . the list could go on and on and on. Only upon completion of all these things may Mormons attain to the third and highest level of heaven thus achieving the ultimate goal of the Mormon gospel – godhood. (see McConkie, Mormon Doctrine 116-117; Book of Mormon [3 Nephi 27:13-21]; Doctrines of Salvation 1:268; 18:213; The 4th Article of Faith; Smith, Gospel Doctrine pg. 107; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 3:93; 3:247; 9:312; Gospel Principles 290; Doctrine and Covenants 39:5-6; 132:19-20). In essence, Christ’s death means nothing more to a Mormon than the gaining of the ability to be resurrected so that their works may be judged.

While we cannot judge another person’s motives, we can and must judge what a person does or says. Joseph Smith, and hence the Book of Mormon, fails the twin tests of Deuteronomy 13 and 18. God takes false prophets very seriously. Deuteronomy 13:1-3 says, “That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the LORD your God…; he has tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.”Deuteronomy 18:19-21 says, “If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death…” And Galatians 1:8-9 says, “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!”

The gospel is God’s power to bring us to Him. He will not stand for those who pervert it. He has given us the ability and the responsibility to discern whether or not this is happening. We must carefully investigate the claims of the LDS if we are to follow what God has commanded. In fact, we are invited to judge by Mormons themselves: “Convince us of our errors of doctrine, if we have any.” LDS Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p.15

Witnessing to Mormons – What is the Key?

By GotQuestions.org

As a preface to this answer, please see our article on Mormonism and what Mormons believe. As Christians, we always want to use the Bible and its timeless truths as our primary tool in witnessing the love of God and salvation through Christ. One of the problems with trying to witness to Mormons is that they believe that the Bible was hopelessly corrupted through the years and is no longer reliable. Although we can say with confidence that the Scriptures are most certainly not corrupted—due to the manuscript evidence in the form of the Dead Sea Scrolls, several codices of the various portions of the biblical text, and thousands of other manuscripts—Mormons are most likely not going to agree to that. Therefore, approaching Mormons from another direction is the most effective.

It is important to understand that Mormons use many of the terms that Christians use, such as salvation, justification, heaven, and others. But their definitions are quite different from the biblical definitions we are familiar with. For instance, Mormons say they believe in salvation by grace through faith in Christ. But their idea of salvation is inclusive—everyone has been saved by Christ so that they will live eternally, but it is each person’s works which will determine where they will spend eternity and the extent of their eternal blessings. Clearly, salvation as the Bible explains it is not the same as the Mormon idea of salvation. This is why arguing doctrine with a Mormon is rarely successful.

The key to reaching the heart of a Mormon is to understand that while they may appear confident and self-assured on the outside, internally many are filled with stress and doubt because they are continually striving for perfection. This is partly driven by Mormon doctrine and partly by family pressures. Family is extremely important to Mormons and living up to both family and church standards is a motivating factor to many Mormons. Deep down inside most Mormons is the fear of not being good enough, not measuring up. The question in every Mormon’s mind is “Am I worthy enough?” The best thing to do is to reinforce that doubt. Show them that by their own efforts, they are not even close to being worthy to stand before a holy God. This is the essence of the Christian gospel, the bad news that has to precede the good news. Show them from the Scriptures that all their “righteous acts are like filthy rags” (Isaiah 64:6), that “no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law” (Romans 3:20), and that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Romans 3:23). If the Mormon will admit to these truths, he/she should be open for the good news of the true gospel of Jesus Christ, that real righteousness only comes at the cross, where God exchanged our sin for the righteousness of Christ (2 Corinthians 5:21). No other righteousness can stand before God on Judgment Day. Once a Mormon, or anyone else for that matter, admits these truths, he/she is well on the way to understanding true salvation.

While it is important for us to be diligent in our proclamation of truth, it is also important for us to put the results of witnessing to others in the hands of our God, who is able to “save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through Him” (Hebrews 7:25). We can rest assured that ultimately it falls upon the Spirit to sway the hearts of those who are lost and open their eyes to Truth. Our job is to “Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect” (1 Peter 3:15), trusting God with the words that we are to say, praying diligently for the souls of those we witness to, and leaving the results to Him.

Should Christians Be Hospitable to Cult Members? John MacArthur

  • 1 John 1:10 (NASB) “If anyone comes to you & does NOT bring this TEACHING (Truth aboutCHRIST), do NOT receive him INTO your HOUSE, and do NOT give him a GREETING.”

QUOTE from JOHN MACARTHUR— “You do NOT open your home to him (a CULT MEMBER). That doesn’t mean you don’t witness somebody in the CULTS, that doesn’t mean you don’t witness to somebody in DIFFERENT RELIGION. You don’t sit down with them and try to explain, you just DON’Topen your home to them; you don’t provide a haven for them, you don’t provide hospitality for them. To borrow the language from Psalm 1 you DON’T sit down with SCOFFERS, that’s DANGEROUS STUFF. So this is for protection, and this is to shut-out FALSE TEACHERS, and FALSE CULT PURVEYORS from having INFLUENCE of course on GOD’S PEOPLE.”www.MacArthurCommentaries.com & www.GTY.org

Mormon & Latter Day Saints Beliefs Exposed – Summed Up Article

By Amazing Bible

Follow the teachings of Joseph Smith: The doctrine of Mormonism is completely unscriptural and dates back to about 1830. They believe that God the Father and Jesus Christ physically appeared to Joseph Smith and told him that the churches were all wrong. The Book of Mormon was to be added to the Bible. In other words, Christianity was all lost.Supposedly, Joseph Smith stated that Elijah appeared personally to him on April 3, 1836, at Kirtland, Ohio, fulfilling Mal 4:5,6. They believe that Elijah also came in 1844.

The Mormons reject the finality of the Bible. They both take away from and add to God ’s Word. The Bible gives a severe warning about this in Rev 22:18,19. The Mormon Church is run by revelation. It is not committed to any fixed creed. It can be said it creates doctrine as time goes on.

They use biblical terms, but their beliefs are far removed from true Christianity.

Their book, the Doctrine of Covenants, speaks against having more than one wife in 101:4, 1835 edition. However, in 1887, Mormon Church historian listed 27 women that were married to Joseph Smith. This occurred during a time when such a thing was viewed as a crime before God. It is reported that Smith finally admitted it and changed the law of polygamy in 1843 (which showed up in 1876) and then the 1835 edition just disappeared. It is reported that some of his wives were still married to other men.

Mormon leaders apparently believe that the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine of Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price do not contradict each other. This is far from the truth.

Contrary to 1 Sam 15:29, Joseph Smith believed that God was once as we are, that Jehovah was the firstborn spirit child of Elohim. They believe He is not just Spirit and is not omnipresent. They believe we have to learn how to be gods ourselves.

Jesus shedding His blood for our sins is apparently nonsense to them—the blood of Jesus could not make one clean by itself. Mormonism seems to believe that Christ and the devil are brothers, and Christ was married.

They seem to believe the Holy Spirit is a substance or fluid and not omnipresent.
They believe in baptismal regeneration.
They believe baptism is the way to heaven and that the saints can be baptized for those that have passed away unbaptized.
They believe there will be a resurrection of every living thing including animals and fish.

All that are in glory are also gods. There are gods and other worlds. They also believe in heavenly marriages and in having spirit children. There is no burning hell. Punishment without end may last for a short time or a long time.

They seem to believe that people will raise children after they leave earth. Their faith appears to be in Joseph Smith and changing revelations. It is certainly not in the God of the Bible. It is certainly not in Jesus Christ.

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10 thoughts on “Mormons A Cult

  1. If you would like, I could clarify each of the assertions made in this post for despising Mormons point by point. I, and virtually every other Mormon have been through each of these over and over (except the one about about Quakers on the Moon—where did that come from?). I don’t wish to do so, however, if you wish only to talk down to me. If we are both civil and honest seekers of truth, we would listen to each other respectfully, and agree to disagree if necessary. If attacked, however, I will sometimes respond in kind. Working on that. I’m still human and always trying to do better.

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    • John Hamilton

      You say : ” agree to disagree if necessary”

      There is no such thing as agree to disagree, there is only one truth and it is written in the Bible, the inerrant Word of God.

      Rev 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, (19) and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

      2Ti 3:16-17 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, (17) that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

      2Co 11:4 For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.

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    • John Hamilton

      Christians are not called to despise persons who hold to belief systems other than Christianity. Any Christian who portrays such an attitude is doing so according to their own convictions and not as a result of what the Word of God teaches. However, Christians are called to despise false belief systems, to expose the lies which are held in them and to uphold the singular truth of Christ against those lies.

      John, you should also distinguish between being “talked down to” at a personal level, and being corrected by that which is held within Scriptural truth. That is not tantamount to being “talked down to”, rather you should regard it as being lifted up into the light of God’s truth. Please also consider the fact that the Word of God is offensive to those who are in contravention of God’s will. You refer to being a civil and honest seeker of truth, yet it seems when you encounter the truth, you reject it and regard it as an attack on you personally.

      One can listen to another respectfully, and of course Christians are expected to do so, but you cannot expect Christians to respect or accept a belief system such as Mormonism, which contradicts and opposes biblical Christianity. The two cannot compliment each other or be married in any way.

      There is no grey area between what is false and what is true, there is a very definite point at which the two separate and become opposites of one another. To see it any other way, in an ecumenical sense, where tolerance for the beliefs of others who oppose Christianity is called for, is contrary to the Word of God.

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      • I fail to see how I’m not living up to the light and knowledge God has given us in the Bible. I believe nothing that contradicts the Bible in any way. You and I have different ideas about the exact nature of God, but so does virtually everybody—even within the same denomination—to one extent or another. That does not preclude us from accepting Jesus Christ as our personal savior and redeemer, or to follow His example and teachings. I am baptized and have taken His name upon me, just like you (I think). I’m trying to be like Him. I think God understands that. We need to work on understanding that as well.

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      • John

        No human can live up to the perfect standard acceptable to God. Only by the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ and His substitutionary atonement can we hope to enter into God’s presence. Mormonism contradicts the Bible in it’s entire essence. You profess to be of the Mormon faith, unless I am mistaken. The Mormon religion does not recognize the God of the Holy Bible, or the prescripts held solely therein.

        You might have been deceived into such a tragic understanding, however, the Word of God stands firm and is clear on these matters. It certainly is not debatable and as a result I will not be drawn into further fruitless, contentious banter on the subject. The truth is singular and cannot be compromised. Various forms of the truth do not exist for people of differing sentiments, neither can it be understood that we all have the right to interpret Scripture in our own differing personal ways.

        As an adherent to the Mormon religion, you cannot simultaneously claim to be of the Christian faith or recognize the sole authority of the Bible. Simply speaking, the two faiths are in stark opposition to one another.

        No one can ”include” by way of hi-jacking, the Trinity of the Bible (God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son of God and the Holy Spirit), for the sake of conscience or convenience, into religions such as Mormonism, Islam, Roman Catholicism, Buddhism, or the like. God does certainly not approve of humanistic manipulation or frivolous adaptation of His Sovereign work and His Sovereign will, and therefore, you cannot expect Christians to “work toward an understanding of” that which opposes the truth.

        Yes, we may have different ideas about the nature of God, but that does not make both of our ideas right. If our ideas about the nature of God are in opposition to one another, as for example, Mormonism is in opposition to Christianity, then one of us is wrong. If you fail to see how Mormonism opposes the Bible, by implication you simultaneously fail to see the Truth.

        We are not at liberty to make assumptions about what God does or does not accept. We do not need to work on anything which stands outside of that which is in Scripture and attempting to reach consensus or common ground between adherents to different faiths, is way outside of Scriptural directives.

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  2. We are all here to learn and figure things out. That means we will be in error at times. God is okay with that, that’s why He sent His Son to reconcile our errors, as long as we are willing to acknowledge them and try to do better. Sometimes I am in error, sometimes my neighbor is in error, but that’s okay as long as we are continually being honest seekers. Mormons, by the way, do not believe any kind of works gets us any closer to God. We agree with C.S. Lewis in that arguing over which is more important “works” or “faith” is like worrying over which blade of the scissors is more important. Each naturally leads to the other and vice versa. We cannot get one inch (or millimeter, if you believe in the metric God) closer to salvation without the Atonement of Christ. Our works do not “save” us—they are merely the manifestation of our faith and vise versa. It is only the grace of Christ that redeems us.

    Concerning the scriptures you quoted: The Revelation 22 verse refers to the Book of Revelation only. This book was written well before some of the other books in the New Testament and was only put in the back of the Bible because it referred to the end times. There was no “Bible” when John wrote these words. Many of the other books of the New Testament are out of chronological order as well. They were sorted by length rather than time for the most part.

    The Timothy reference is great. He is referring to all scripture long before “all scripture” was compiled into the Bible, so either Paul was referring to the Bible of the future, or he was leaving it up to his readers to define that “scripture.” The Christians had the Old Testament and some of the Gospels (actually a few more than we have today) at the time Paul was writing this. I don’t think he was expecting this statement to necessarily become “scripture” itself, but we’re certainly glad it did.

    The 2 Corinthians reverence can be turned right around on you, if you like. I could make the argument that it is you who have received a different (even incomplete) Jesus, and a different spirit. I have felt the Spirit when reading the New Testament and felt that same Spirit when reading the Book of Mormon. I don’t wish to offend, but that is my experience. I cannot get inside your heart to see if your “Spirit” is the same as my “Spirit”, but just like faith and works, the actions the our Spirit inspire (or to the extent they inspire) us to do good will manifest themselves through our works and who we become. Many Mormons are really good people—faithful, giving, loving and so forth. So are many of many other faiths, so there must be common elements to the Spirit we are all feeling. Maybe it is only our “filters” of prejudice and culture that keep us from experiencing each other and the gifts of God more fully.

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  3. Hi John,
    I have been on a long journey of studying the Major Mormon works and Theology over many years.
    I have also been to meetings and hearings in the ‘Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints’ where I have been appalled at what was being said to people leaving the church. I was present contrary to Mormon policy because I wanted people to be safe in their exiting of Mormonism and in NZ I discovered that the process used by Mormonism in only allowing a Mormon of good standing to be the support person is not legal so I threatened the church that if I was not able to be present without speaking then We would make a legal case against the Church and it’s leaders in New Zealand. I became a follower of Jesus at age 17 and have to say I have seen some Christians misbehave but I have never ever seen such evil abuse of the peoples rights as in your court hearings in the Mormon church. The defense that many Mormons make that they have found their truth and that we would be attacking you when we take a serious look at the errors in teaching is an wrong. We are not attacking you personally. I for one care deeply for Mormon people and am concerned about the following of a teaching that Jesus warns against, specifically using the term in the “latter days…” The Christian Church as a whole holds and has always held very clearly to a consistent picture of who God is and His origins. The Bible is clear on this. The Bible, in spite of consistent Mormon teaching has never been changed, and it disagrees strongly with teachings of Mormonism on many levels. Please don’t do us the disservice of making out that we disagree with each other as Christians on basic Biblical teachings. To do so as you did is simply to set up clay pigeons of your own making only to shoot them down. I have had a significant number of Mormons who have become followers of Jesus in Christian Churches once they started to do serious study of Mormon History. including the recent work of people who were leading Mormons who set out to prove the Book of Mormon to be true but have now left the Mormon Church as a consequence of their serious attempt.
    I pray that instead of defending your position because of what you have been taught that you may
    journey into the Kingdom of God in all His truth. My Email is gary@hosanna.net.nz
    May the Lord Jesus touch you and your family.
    It would be wonderful to see you in eternity.
    Gary

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  4. John

    I’ve always admired your writing, and I’ve said so before. You write very well and I know you firmly believe in what you write. However, I cannot approve your most recent comment, it is simply anti-Christian and wildly ecumenical in content. In it you are trying to make all false religions and the “good” works of men equal to savific faith in Jesus Christ. I cannot allow such misguided religious deception to be made public on this platform.

    I pray that the Truth and Grace of the one true God of the Bible reaches your heart. There are not many ways to salvation and many gods which are to be worshipped. Bhuddists, Mormons, Muslims, pagans, atheists, Irishmen, Americans, Indians, helicopter pilots and dog trainers may be splendid people, and certainly there are many, but they will not see heaven unless they repent of their false religious beliefs and are drawn to the Light by God Almighty.

    There is one Creator, Sovereign and Almighty God and the only way to salvation is through true faith in the atonement made by the Blood of His Son, Jesus Christ, on behalf of all who believe in Him. Faith is a free gift received by those who truly are drawn to the Father by His Sovereign Grace. Through Faith alone, by Grace alone in Christ alone will a human be saved.

    Grace to you, my friend!

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  5. I’m sorry for being so “ecumenical.” Don’t see why we can’t all just get along. I’m just not be able to get over the reality that people like you actually exist. I guess we live under a god of fear after all? Grace to you also, my brother. Looks like we’re all gonna really need it.

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    • John

      It is not to me that you need apologize. I cannot be offended by your viewpoint. However, according to God’s Word, it is offensive to equate or try to unite false religions with the one true faith. By the very nature of all other religions, they stand in opposition to Jesus Christ. How is it that you see it differently? What compels you to reject the only effective sacrifice which has already been made on your behalf? Jesus Christ paid the full price for your sins past, present and future, and by faith in that fact you freely gain access to eternal life in the presence of God. You need to do nothing more, why would you choose to bind yourself to some other man-made religious doctrine?

      Getting along with each other is not the issue here. You and I could be the best of friends in this life, we could quite possibly work together, play together, reminisce, dream and philosophize together, support and protect each other, and do every kind of thing expected of friends. We could also be the worst of enemies in this life. Nevertheless, either way, that would not change the fact that I would be compelled throughout that friendship or war, to point you to the Truth regarding the matter of our salvation, which lies in our faith in Jesus Christ alone, and in no other gods, works or religions.

      People like you and I actually exist solely because of the Will of the Almighty Creator, the first person of the Divine Trinity, who is God the Father and whose Will is Sovereign. You have no option other than to “get over the reality”, because I am as real as you are. You might not want to believe that, but that is my sole reason for existence.

      I’m not here to drag you down, but to lift you up to see the Truth. You might regard what I have to say to you as unloving, selfish and belittling. I can’t change that and those things are furthest from my mind. I would have absolutely nothing to gain from those things. I am not paid for this, I receive no recognition for this and I want none.

      We do not live under a god of fear, but we would be wise TO fear an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, Sovereign, Almighty and jealous God. Were it not for His Grace, we would all have been doomed to eternal destruction. We certainly are all gonna need it. God would not have given us that Grace, unless we needed it.

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